PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA PANYNJ * 1972-2001 – Let’s Roll Forums

January 21, 2011 Leave a comment

PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA PANYNJ * 1972-2001 – Let’s Roll Forums.

 

World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA * 1972-2001
by; Dave Cole, Larry McWilliams & Phil Jayhan

 

NEW FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST PRESS RELEASE!

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The following link is to a spreadsheet that the Lets Roll Forums obtained through a FOIA request made by Dave Cole. What we requested from the Port Authority of New York New Jersey was in essence a surprise occupancy audit of the World Trade Center. What we requested;

1. A complete listing of all occupants of the world trade center, from the time they were finished to the time they went private, in 2001.

2. Listing of occupants by floor and by space

3. Listing of occupants leases, with the start and end dates of those leases.

What we received back was shocking and in no way anticipated. Please open this spreadsheet now in another browser tab, so you can have this open and go back and forth as your reading this story. (right click, open link in new tab)

LETS ROLL PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA * 1972-2001

*** We make no claims other then these below. Another FOIA will be sent within the next few days, at which time we will then audit this list that we received against the new FOIA request for the same thing.

NORTH TOWER – WTC 1

LANDMARK EDUCATION CORPORATION

You might be surprised to discover that floor 7 of the North World Trade Center went completely unoccupied throughout the entire life of the building and was only rented out for the first time on 11/23/1998.

Floor 7 was the floor directly above the lobby of each tower, in essence, it is floor #1, from street level. Floor 7 was prime real estate, as the rent was more expensive in the towers as you went higher. The prestige value. Thus floor 7 was far cheaper then floor 89.

For 26 years, floor 7 of the North Tower was totally vacant. From 1972 until 1998. This also means that during the 1993 bombing that this floor was completely unoccupied. Larry will touch on this in a follow up post as he spent dozens and dozens of hours scouring these sheets with regards to the 1993 bombing vs. occupancy, and it is a top notch story all in it’s own.

This long streak of unoccupancy for floor 7 would come to a halt on November 23, 1998, when LANDMARK EDUCATION CORPORATION moved into suite #118. We were told through various sources that the world trade center had occupancy issues through the years, and suppose this highlights that issue. In summary floor #7 was unoccupied for 26 years, and not a single time in those 26 years did one of the elevators crack open on that floor, except for maintenance. Imagine the very first floor above the lobby as you walk into those magnificent buildings having cold bare unfinished floors for 26 years. No lights, no activity whatsoever. A dead floor.

BANK OF AMERICA CORP

Sometimes when things are just so bad, a billionaire needs to step in to save the day. Word must have finally reached David Rockefeller in 1993 that his precious Twins were repulsive real estate that apparently no one wanted, so he had his Bank, BANK OF AMERICA CORP. move into floors 9 & 10 of the North Tower in October and December of 1993, some 21 years after the WTC completion ceremonies. (lines 4 & 5 on the spreadsheet)

Floor 9, Suite 901 – 10/8/1993
Floor 10, Suite 1001 – 12/5/1993

**The World Trade Center bombing happened on February 26, 1993 for your information.

So lets recap here for a moment. The North Tower (think antenna, as it is the tower with the antenna) The North Tower, floor 7, went totally unoccupied until November of 1998, 26 years of vacancy.

While floors 9-10 went totally unoccupied until late 1993, some 21 years of total vacancy, this bad spell of hard WTC luck would finally be broken by a merciful billionaire who we are told moved some of his Bank of America offices into the world trade center.

This also means that for 28 years the elevators never once stopped at floor 7 of the world trade center, and the same goes for floors 9 and 10 until late 1993. These would have been closed floors and the elevators couldn’t have even stopped, being electronically locked out. If I don’t have your attention by now, it only gets better, just give it a little more time.

Floor 11 of the North Tower went totally unoccupied until 1993, when David Rockefeller would step in again to save the day and pave the way by moving yet more Bank of America offices into the north tower. (line 11 of the WTC FOIA occupancy sheet) Please see lines 6 through 15 to see the other corporations we are told that followed David Rockefeller’s charge. 8 other companies total we are told.

We are also starting to see another pattern here, something which Larry researched and made known and will also be following up this post with. So far, during the 1993 bombing, floors 7-9-10 & 11 are unoccupied.

ALL ABOARD! Next stop – Floor 12

The elevators never stopped at floor 12 of the north tower until David Rockefeller stepped in yet again to save the day on 9/13/1993, again, after the 1993 bombing. Bank of America would be the only alleged occupant of floor 12 during the entire life of the structure. Floor 12 went totally unoccupied for 21 years. (Reference line 16 of Occupancy FOIA)

So now, at the time of the 1993 bombing, floors 7-9-10-11 & 12 were totally unoccupied. Are you wondering how long this pattern will continue?

Nobody likes being on floor 13, the unlucky floor. And it wasn’t any different at world trade north tower 1. David Rockefeller would step in to save the day yet again by moving more of his corporate offices into wtc 1, floor 13, on 4/8/1994.

And also into floor 14 on 10/7/1994. Both floors 13 and 14 went totally unoccupied and vacant until 4/8/1994, the elevators never stopping there until then, we are to presume. Also after the 1993 bombing. So far we have floors 7-9-10-11-12-13 & 14 totally unoccupied at the time of the 1993 wtc bombing. And for the better part of the life of the towers as well.

SANDLER ONEILL & PARTNERS

Now that I whet your appetite, and set Larry up for his following story, lets press the elevator and go back down to the lobby and stroll on over to the South Tower and take a ride up to the top this time, stopping at floors 104, where we were told AON Corp and Sandler Oneill & Partners had offices. Please scroll down to line 906 and 907 on the Occupancy FOIA.

Whats missing from this FOIA occupancy sheet? If your looking at lines 906 and 907, you should be seeing the name Sandler Oneill & Partners. Yet they are not listed. We requested in this FOIA all occupants of the world trade center, from the time they went up to the time they became private, 6 weeks prior to 9/11. Sandler Oneill & Partners are strangely absent from the list of occupants that had leases. They never had a lease. Go ahead and scour those sheets, feel free, you will not find them. The problem this raises immediately is how did 66 of their 171 employee’s perish in a buiding that they never held a lease at during the entire life of the building?

Larry discovered this. And this is the most singular significant discovery in this FOIA. A Corporation alleged to have lost 66 of its 171 employee’s that never had a lease with the NYPANJ.

The average payout from the victims compensation fund (VCF) was roughly 2 million dollars. This means at minimum Sandler Oneill and Partners “employee’s” received roughly 132 million dollars from the government VCF.

And probably a whole lot more because the average payout of the VCF was 2 million. This means some were much higher, and some much lower. The higher paid executives received more compensation the way the fund was set up. The more they made, the more their family, in theory would receive.

The strangeness certainly doesn’t end there for floor 104, WTC 1. We find on the Occupancy FOIA a corporation which isn’t listed in most, if any of the other official lists made public through the years, at wiki and such.

SHEARSON/LEHMAN BROS

SHEARSON/LEHMAN BROS – Ring a bell anyone?

Many people are not aware that there was other emergency relief funds set up by the government after 911 besides the victims compensation fund. (VCF) The victim compensation fund was 7 billion dollars. There was also another much larger fund called the Business Compensation Fund. (BCF)

There is probably good reason that you weren’t aware of this fund. And that’s because of its sheer size. 38.4 billion dollars was set aside for WTC corporations by government and insurance companies. This makes the total combined worth of both government funds to be roughly 46 billion dollars. The largest recipients of these funds were of course, investment Bankers. It was a pre-cursor to the leave no bank behind act Bush and Obama would later set up. And went to many of the same corporations.

The mystery here with Shearson/Lehman of course is why they are not listed on most, or possibly any of the public lists that were peddled to us after 9/11 yet listed on this Occupancy FOIA?

See note below. Sandler Oneill is listed at wiki. To see the link it is below picture.

NOTE: Sandler Oneill and Partners are listed here at Wiki, though they are absent from the above picture.

AON RISK SERVICES, INC.
South Tower – (No antenna) WTC 2

According the Occupancy FOIA, AON Corp occupied 8 floors total in WTC 2, South Tower. 98-105 (please reference lines 895 to 909 of the occupancy FOIA) AON shared only floors 101 – 105 with Shearson/Lehman, with Shearson/Lehman alleged to have also occupied floor 106 by itself.

Now for another jaw dropping eye opener; Lets dissect this Occupancy FOIA a different way now. Lets look at some of the high upper floors and see when the first time this prime NY office space was leased;

WTC 1 – North Tower – FIRST TIME OCCUPANTS & DATES:

Floor 86: FOIA line #514 – WORLD TELEPORT ASSOCIATION – 7/1/1998
Floor 87: FOIA line #521 – LT LAWRENCE & CO.,INC. – 1/15/1998
Floor 88: FOIA line #526 – P.A.(WORLD TRADE CENTER) – 8/1/1999
Floor 89: FOIA line #535 – CIIC GROUP (U.S.A.) LTD. – 2/17/1994
Floor 90: FOIA line #551 – CHUGOKU BANK, LTD. – 9/1/1991
Floor 91: FOIA line #561 – NEW JAPAN SECURITIES RESEARCH – 6/1/1990
Floor 92: FOIA line #567 – CARR FUTURES, INC. – 2/1/1998
Floor 93: FOIA line #568 – FRED ALGER MANAGEMENT, INC. – 6/1/1998
Floor 94: FOIA line #570 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 9/1/1998
Floor 95: FOIA line #571 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 9/1/1998
Floor 96: FOIA line #572 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 9/1/1998
Floor 97: FOIA line #573 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 11/1/1998
Floor 98: FOIA line #574 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 11/1/1998
Floor 99: FOIA line #575 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 11/1/1998
Floor 100: FOIA line #576 – J&H MARSH & MCLENNAN, INC. – 11/1/1998
Floor 101: FOIA line #577 – CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES – 9/1/1997
Floor 102: FOIA line #578 – LOWER MANHA CULTURAL COUNC – 9/1/1997
Floor 103: FOIA line #579 – CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES – 9/1/1997
Floor 104: FOIA line #580 – CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES – 9/1/1997
Floor 105: FOIA line #581 – CANTOR FITZGERALD SECURITIES – 4/1/1979
Floor 106: FOIA line #597 – WINDOWS ON THE WORLD – 12/15/1994
Floor 107: FOIA line #598 – WINDOWS ON THE WORLD – 10/1/1999
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Lets Roll Forums Table Created by; Phil Jayhan – http://letsrollforums.com

This same cross section from the South Tower will be added to the story tomorrow.

Occupancy Issues:

What this shows us is something far different then we were told and sold. We have been told through various sources that their were occupancy issues with the twins and that they also had their highest occupancy at the time of the attacks, which we are told was at 95% occupancy.

We were never informed that the most prime real estate in New York City, in both Towers, never leased until a year or two before 9/11, in most cases. Why? Because it would have been extremely suspicious to people, especially since all of the controversy the PTB knew would be after 9/11.

Had they told us this, we would have started investigating the companies at the WTC and questioning their alleged employee losses a lot sooner then 9 years out.

LAST MINUTE LEASING & STACKING OF WTC DECK

How is it possible, especially considering what happened with the world trade center, to see that all of the upper floors were leased only a few years prior to 9/11? That’s an incredible expanse of time, 26 years in most case, some 28 years, where for instance floor 88 had bare floors and no tenants until 1999. The elevators in the north tower never stopped at floor 88 until mid 1999. Might I ask at this time how it is possible that any lights were ever on on floor 88 before 1999? The entire tops of these towers should have been darkened at night between the years 1972 and 1997-98.

There were no tenants. No tenants means no lights and dark floors, both during the day and at night, as lights in the WTC were visible in both daytime and night.

This has all the appearances that the companies were moved into the towers at the very end for the very purpose of 9/11. Either in reality or on paper. These towers were nearly unoccupied for their entire life, and then miraculously found a 95% occupancy heart beat on in 2001, just prior to 9/11.

PARADIGM CHANGER:

This is one of those paradigm changers. What you know of the world trade center is a legend that was created and manufactured for your consumption. Any of the documentaries that were created prior to 9/11, about the world trade center, were created by the “builders” of the WTC, and made to create and sell a manufactured legend. The legend was that there were 50,000 people who worked in these towers by and large, for the better part of their life, as they were designed and built for. AS you have just seen, this isn’t even remotely close to being true.

Between Dave Cole, (kawika) Larry McWilliams and myself, we have spent hundreds of hours studying this occupancy FOIA request over the last 6 months or so, and we haven’t even scratched the surface yet. We would like to request that all of you as a group take lots of time studying this so that collectively we miss nothing. This FOIA is a goldmine. It’s the gift that keeps on giving, a mine that never runs dry. We believe that we have given you an accurate overview of the material so that you will know and be able to scour the spreadsheet as we did and know how to spot things. We need all of your help.

To say that there were occupancy issues is a gross understatement. The official story seems more then just a little bit hollow.

Cheers-
Phil Jayhan, Dave Cole & Larry McWilliams

Note: This story is the result of the FOIA we obtained and many months of research and thoughtful dissection of the material with many phone calls and off the charts collaboration.

Radio Shows – Jim Fetzer. Deanna Spingola, Debbie Lewis:

*** IMPORTANT: Please use this link below for visual aids while listening to the interviews;
9/11 World Trade Center Props
World Trade Center Publicity Stunts:
Exif/IPTC Metadata:

Video: Fraudulence on 9/11
Death Certificate #0001:
Social Security Death Payments & Other SSDI Related Evidence
The Hollow Towers & Pre-Demolition of WTC:
The World Trade Center Lighting & Picture History:
The Elevators at WTC on 9/11 and the Trapped People:
Revisiting the World Trade Center Phone Calls:

Fireman Actors on 9/11:
Stand In Actors on 9/11:
Flight 11 Frauds:
Flight 175 Frauds:
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    Media Complicity and Fraud:
    Media 9/11 Memorial Frauds:
    The 9/11 Memorial Wall:
    9/11 & WTC Corporate Fraud:

    Gatekeepers of the Alternate Media:
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    PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA PANYNJ * 1972-2001 – Let’s Roll Forums

    January 14, 2011 Leave a comment

    PRESS RELEASE: World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA PANYNJ * 1972-2001 – Let’s Roll Forums.

    World Trade Center Occupancy FOIA * 1972-2001
    by; Dave Cole, Larry McWilliams & Phil Jayhan

    NEW FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST PRESS RELEASE!

    The following link is to a spreadsheet that the Lets Roll Forums obtained through a FOIA request made by Dave Cole. What we requested from the Port Authority of New York New Jersey was in essence a surprise occupancy audit of the World Trade Center. What we requested; We make no claims other then these below. Another FOIA will be sent within the next few days, at which time we will then audit this list that we received against the new FOIA request for the same thing.

    1. A complete listing of all occupants of the world trade center, from the time they were finished to the time they went private, in 2001.

    2. Listing of occupants by floor and by space

    3. Listing of occupants leases, with the start and end dates of those leases.

    What we received back was shocking and in no way anticipated. Please open this spreadsheet now in another browser tab, so you can have this open and go back and forth as your reading this story. (right click, open link in new tab)

    To see the rest of the story and view this new PANYNJ FOIA occupancy spreadsheet, click below:

    World Trade Center FOIA Occupancy Story & Spreadsheet:

    New 9/11 Research Directory & Links:

    9/11 LINKS INDEX – Victim Fraud, Media Fraud  

    Radio Shows – Jim Fetzer. Deanna Spingola, Debbie Lewis: 

    *** IMPORTANT: Please use this link below for visual aids while listening to the interviews;

     

    9/11 World Trade Center Props

    World Trade Center Publicity Stunts:

    Exif/IPTC Metadata:


    Video: Fraudulence on 9/11

    Death Certificate #0001:

    Social Security Death Payments & Other SSDI Related Evidence


    The Hollow Towers & Pre-Demolition of WTC:

    The World Trade Center Lighting & Picture History:

    The Elevators at WTC on 9/11 and the Trapped People:

    Revisiting the World Trade Center Phone Calls:


    Fireman Actors on 9/11:

    Stand In Actors on 9/11:

    Flight 11 Frauds:

    Flight 175 Frauds:

    Flight 77 Frauds:

    Flight 93 Frauds:

    The 911 Jumper Frauds:

    North Tower Frauds:

    Pentagon Stage Props – Pentagon TV Fakery:


    Pentagon Fraudulent Victims on 9/11:

    Media Complicity and Fraud:

    Media 9/11 Memorial Frauds:

    The 9/11 Memorial Wall:

    9/11 & WTC Corporate Fraud:

    Gatekeepers of the Alternate Media:

    Pending Research Requests from Lets Roll Members:

    MISC: Great Research Links on this Material above:

    Former Stickies for the Hussled Masses:

    9/11 Related Murders:

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    9/11 Conspirator? Was Ari Fleischers picture used for a Passenger of Fl# 11? – Let’s Roll Forums

    June 17, 2010 Leave a comment

    9/11 CRIMINAL? Was Ari Fleischers picture used for a Passenger of Fl# 11? – Let’s Roll Forums.

    It’s strange how some of the victims bear such strong resemblances to notable people. Could someone have taken photos of these people and tweaked them with some sort of photo morphing software?

    YouTube- 3D morphable model face animation @ youtube; See it here, below;

    There needs to be a real investigation into this to get to the bottom of it once and for all. Someone needs to verify that all these people really existed, and lay this thing to rest once and for all.

    Whats in a Carefully Prepared Alias – Was Ari Fleischer’s picture used for Flight 11 passenger Michael Theodoridis?
    by; Phil Jayhan

    This is getting more bizarre as we research the passengers themselves. Let me first state emphatically that we are not making any claims, and are only asking these disturbing questions about the passengers because we feel compelled by the evidence to do so. For those of you who have followed the Mike Rivero/John J. Wenckus look-a-like story, this might not come as the total shock it will to some. While doing research trying to figure out how many millionaires were on the 4 flights, I was looking through the passenger profiles, and their biographies and pictures, I stumbled upon John J. Wenckus, an alleged passenger from Flight 11. And as I was clicking on the next biography, had the feeling I had seen this man before or knew him in some way other than being a dead passenger. So I clicked back, and looked at the picture a little longer, before it came to me who he resembled. Mike Rivero from the internationally known website, http://www.whatreallyhappened.com.

    This might not be as odd as it appears, especially when you discover that Mike Rivero, prior to his film career in Hollywood, worked at NASA developing advanced image processing tools for the Viking Missions to Mars. Mike Rivero retired from NASA after working there for 25 years according to his online bio, and at IMDB says he has over 30 years experience in visual design and production. (Internet Movie Database)

    [quote]SUMMARY: Over thirty years experience in film/TV production, visual effects design and production, and supervision.

    Original link    :[/quote]So I pulled up a picture of Mike Rivero and was instantly astonished at the near identical natures of these two men. And I mean nearly 100% identical. Sure enough, John Wenckus has a darker complexion, and smiles, something which not surprisingly, Mike Rivero doesn’t often do. And the bottom of his face is a tad chubbier than that of Rivero. Other than that, the two men are, in my opinion, perfectly identical. That discovery led me and many others here into a deeper search among the passenger faces which we had all ignored for so long. Let it be known that the first apparent passenger found is Barbara Olson, who appears to be back from the grave and who also re-married Ted Olson last summer. If confirmed, Mike Rivero would be the 2nd alleged passenger from 9/11 to be discovered among the living. And oddly enough, is an alleged 9/11 patriot, now demanding to know “what really happened” on 9/11. If this isn’t one of the top 10 ironies of all time, I don’t know what would be. So, having laid the groundwork for the first 2 alleged passengers now among the living, we have found another, a 3rd alleged passenger who also appears to have escaped the near certain death grip of Muslim fundamentalists on 9/11.

    There is no doubt that these two men look nearly identical. The question is whether Lawrence Ari Fleischer (born October 13, 1960) and who was the former White House Press Secretary for U.S. President George W. Bush from January, 2001 to July, 2003, and Michael Theodoridis of Boston MA, are the same person – or do they look exceedingly similar? While it is certainly possible with plastic surgery and the theft of an identity that this could happen, it is also possible that Michael Theodoridis and Ari Fleischer are simply near identical look-a-likes. And something else to consider, is in some of these cases, plastic surgery can be done to the photographs, rather than the actual people. Facial moles removed, slight changes made to the eyes and eyelids. Nose features slightly changed. Everyone here has a fairly good idea of how relatively easy this is to do for those with the skills and software. All that is needed is a little bit of imagination when looking at the pictures.

    Still Developing – More to come, stay tuned!

    Ari Fleischers new business; See link below;

    http://www.fleischersports.com/information.php

    Google Images:



    From left to right:

    Ari Fleischer – White House Spokesman – Michael Theodoridis – alleged Passenger from flight 11 – Ari Fleischer, Darker Complexion


    While researching this, I came across this discovery on 911myths.com and felt it noteworthy.

    [quote]Original link:

    73 — 35C?

    Michael Theodoridis? (???)

    Name almost completely obscured on our list, however appears to match Theodoridis, and the seating position reported by the Boston Globe

    2.One of the passenger names has been almost deleted, with only the very lowest portion of each letter remaining visible. It appears to be Michael Theodoridis, named as a passenger on other sites, but we cannot be completely sure of that.

    [/quote]It does appear that early on someone was trying to possibly undo a bad decision made before 9/11, and try to erase the name of Michael Theodoridis. But after 9 years now, it would be hard to track or research or find out who, although the why would be obvious.

    Consultant Michael Theodoridis, 32, of Boston, and his wife, Rahma Salie, 28, are shown in this undated family photo. The two were passengers aboard American Airlines Flight 11. (AP Photo/Family Handout)

    Mix & Match

    Notice in this video, how Ari’s second cheek line comes and goes according to the stretching of his face and width of his smile. It goes from one cheek line to two cheek-lines. This short video of Ari Fleischer also has some good side shots of Ari Fleischer which are hard to come by;

    Ari Fleischer in an undated photograph with Dawn Eden. Another person of interest.

    More will be added tomorrow. This story was rushed due to circumstance. Remember, a carefully crafted alias can be a variety of things. We don’t know who these people are, nor do we know their past, nor does a photograph tell a whole story.

    The point of this story is that we simply do not know anything about the passengers. We do not know if they boarded planes. We do not know if passengers even showed up at the airports. We do not know if a single passenger flew that day. We do not know if the passengers are alive. Or dead. We do not even know if all the passengers were real living people or creations of Identity fiction. We do not know if they used recently, or in some cases, not so recent dead peoples identities.We do not know why only 130 families of the passengers received money from the official 911 victims compensation fund. And we do not know how many of those alleged people allegedly flying on the 4 flights were carefully crafted dual identities,as it appears might be the case with John J Wenckus and Mike Rivero. I have not crossed over into any theory in this thread.

    Also see these other Articles in this Section;

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    Fireman, Police and Emergency Responders – September 11th, 2001 Audio tape

    May 13, 2010 Leave a comment

    I am listening to these audio files now. Very interesting, very sad. I really would like to know what really happened on 9/11. We really must find out what really happened on 9/11.

    Cheers-
    Phil

    by Tim Sumner @ 9:03 am on September 9, 2009.

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    At 9:03 a.m., on 9/11, terrorists crashed United Airlines Flight 175 into the World Trade Center’s South Tower. Four minutes later, the FDNY’s Battalion 7 Chief, his aide, and five firefighters from Ladder 15 — led by my wife’s brother — arrived in that tower’s lobby. While a FDNY City-Wide Tour Commander set up the command post there, a Deputy Chief (4 Bravo) moved from there to Tower 2’s staging area at West and Liberty Streets and the Battalion 7 Chief attempted to establish communications with the Battalion 1 Chief at the command post in the North Tower.

    Battalion 7, his aide, and the five members of Ladder 15 then used a working service elevator that they had found and proceeded to the 40th floor. Their mission was to reach the fire floor, report on the situation there, and begin to direct the deployment of the additional units. This initial audio is of those firefighters, beginning at 9:07 and running through approximately 9:19 a.m. [Note: I have removed the ‘open air’ (the periods when no transmissions were made), extraneous transmissions, and several actual calls from within the South Tower from these audio recordings]:

    Click here for 9/11 Emergency Responders Audio:

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    Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?

    October 3, 2007

     Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?

    Molten metal flowed underneath ground zero for months after the Twin Towers collapsed:

    New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.”

    A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a “foundry” or like “lava”.

    A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminded him of a volcano.

    An employee of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed “Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.”

    The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”

    According to a worker involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at ground zero, “Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6.”

    An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, “A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures” (pay-per-view). Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.

    A rescue worker “crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam”

    A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero “descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.“

    A structural engineer who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer saw “streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.” (pages 31-32)

    An engineer stated in the September 3, 2002 issue of The Structural Engineer, “They showed us many fascinating slides ranging from molten metal, which was still red hot weeks after the event.”

    An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, “its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel.”

    A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel”

    The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks.

    According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.”

    A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said “in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire–which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December.”

    A fireman stated that there were “oven” like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11.

    Firemen and hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, “There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red” and “the blaze is so ‘far beyond a normal fire’ that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires.” (pay-per-view)

    A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said “for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal – everything from molten steel beams to human remains….”

    New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said “They were standing on top of a cauldron. They were standing on top of fires 2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days.”

    As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”

    Indeed, the trade center fire was “the longest-burning structural fire in history”, even though it rained heavily on September 14, 2001 and again on September 21, 2001, and the fires were sprayed with high tech fire-retardands, and “firetrucks [sprayed] a nearly constant jet of water on” ground zero.”

    Indeed, “You couldn’t even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there,” said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. “It was like you were creating a giant lake.”

    See also witness statements at the beginning of this video.

    For one explanation of why there was molten metal under ground zero for months after 9/11, see this paper. Also see this essay showing that the post-collapse temperatures under Building 7 were very similar to those under Buildings 1 and 2, even though Buildings 1 and 2 were much higher.

    Filed under World News, World Trade Center Demoliton, WTC 7 Demolition

    The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity

    September 24, 2007

    Posted by Phil Jayhan, September 23rd, 2007

    The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity

    by Vincent Sammartino
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199

    As everyone who is involved in exposing the 9-11 cover-up knows, nothing concerning 9-11 is as it seems. Whether it’s the magic jet that our government told us crashed into the Pentagon, the obvious missing jet at Shanksville (Flight 93), the three perfect demolitions of the World Trade Center towers, or the fact that Arab hijackers are still alive and their supposed ring leader Osama bin Laden has the ability to change his facial features at will. Nothing, I repeat, nothing about the government/controlled media version of 9-11 makes any sense.

    So, let’s get one thing straight and out of the way right now. There are no such things as physical inconsistencies in the world we live in. We can always depend on the laws of physics to be consistent and unchanging. Coincidence is a self-contained human concept; and the real world – the atoms, molecules and planets that whiz around – don’t care if you understand them. Likewise, they aren’t concerned if their movement happens to favor you or not. I say this because, as Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani know (WING TV), this is the key to understanding what is real and what is contrived.

    With that said, let me go back to sometime in February, 2004. At that time I had pretty much figured out that what had happened at the Pentagon and the WTC was a lie. I was still toying with the idea, though, that maybe (just maybe) our government had shot down Flight 93 in Shanksville in order to protect us from the real terrorists.

    Then a few websites started to pop-up showing videos of what appeared to be a “pod” under Flight 175, along with an unexplained flash that happened just before the jet hit the South Tower. To me, this was just as damning as the Pentagon and the WTC collapses. There is no good reason for us to be seeing what we saw if the official government story was true. Think about this point for a minute. If what we saw was just an anomaly, then there must be millions of photos/videos of 757s taking off and landing at airports all over the world that look JUST LIKE THAT! If anybody has any jet photo anomalies they would like to share with us, please send them to Victor and Lisa at WING TV so we can clear this stuff up.

    Which brings me to Ellen Mariani: she’s the woman who lost her husband Louis on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower on 9-11. With the help of a lawyer named Phil Berg, she filed a lawsuit against President Bush and company under the RICO act. Also, she refused to take the hush money that was offered to her under the 9-11 Victims Compensation fund.

    In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government’s lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.

    I listened to this show over and over again and couldn’t believe what she had just said. Everything came together at this point. That’s when it dawned on me that not only had our government lied about the physics of 9-11; they may very well have taken it one step farther by faking the number of people that died that day. I believed what she and Mr. Berg had just said. Nothing about 9-11 made any sense. Why should it start now?

    Not knowing then what I know now, Ellen and Phil believed that for some reason the government was holding back the names of the people that had died on Flight 175. She had tried to get in touch with the relatives of other family members, but to no avail. You see, she and her lawyer believed, just like most other people believe, that four jets had been hijacked by Arab terrorists and crashed into buildings and into the ground at Shanksville. I, on the other hand, had already swept those lies aside.

    Their statement also gave credence to the Fox News reporter who said that the jet which crashed into the South Tower had no windows. Hey, this jet appeared to have a “pod” under it anyway. The pieces of the puzzle were starting to fit.

    Now, we come to most interesting stuff – the Social Security Death Index, and thanks to Victor Thorn’s idea, the September 11th Victim’s Compensation Fund. After all, it’s one thing to say that the flight lists are not on the up and up, but it’s another thing to prove it.

    The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) (Social Security Death Index) is a privately-owned website that is not affiliated with Social Security. It boasts an accuracy rate of about 83% (e-mail them any questions you may have). Anyway, to check its reliability, I inputted the names of people I knew that had died in my family, along with friends and neighbors. Being a true skeptic, I had no way of knowing whether they were telling the truth or not. With the exception of a cousin, I found everyone I was looking for. (Be sure you have the person’s true first name – they may not be listed by the state they last lived in, but can be found in the state where their social security number was issued.) By all means try it yourself.

    Which brings us to the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund (also known as the Shut Up and Take the Money Fund), which most of you have heard about.

    9-11 Victims Compensation Fund

    This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)

    At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.

    The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.

    Here are the results:

    Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

    Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

    Judy Larocque
    Laurie Neira
    Candace Lee Williams

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    Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

    Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

    William Caswell
    Eddie Dillard
    Ian Gray
    John Sammartino
    Leonard Taylor

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    Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

    Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

    Michael C. Tarrou
    Gloria Debarrera
    Timothy Ward

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    Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

    Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

    No one

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    Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

    Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can’t. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren’t eligible to receive compensation? No, that’s not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)

    You should also know that most lawyers told their clients to take the money and run (which is what most lawyers would do – take the sure money). Ellen Mariani clearly elaborated on this point during her appearance on the radio show mentioned above.

    Finally, during the past week, thanks to Lisa Guliani’s insatiable quest for the truth, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report has come to light.

    9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report

    Oddly, but consistent with everything concerning 9-11, the actual complete list of the people who benefited has been omitted from this report. Even without this, it does contain an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money. The average payment was $1.8 million.

    But here’s where it gets strange. According to the government, here are the number of people who accepted the compensation fund:

    Out of a total of 92 people on Flight 11, only 65 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
    Out of a total of 65 people on Flight 175, only 46 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)
    Out of a total of 64 people on Flight 77, only 33 accepted the 9-11 fund (52%)
    Out of a total of 45 people on Flight 93, only 25 accepted the 9-11 fund (56%)

    Does any of this seem a little odd to you? Or is it possible that not only were the jets on 9-11 magical, but their passengers as well?

    So there you have it; yet another glaring 9-11 inconsistency – just maybe the biggest of them all?

    Filed under 911 - Flight 175 Oddities, 911 General Articles, Citizen Intelligence Agency C.I.A., Flight 11, Flight 175, World News, World Trade Center Demoliton

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