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US Soldier throws puppy off cliff Angers World (Disturbing video)

Phil Jayhan — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:28:43 +0000


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 There has been strong global backlash to an internet video that shows a US Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff in. The video shows two Marines joking while one holds up a black and white puppy, which he then hurls into a ravine.Military officials are investigating the video. Major Chris Perrine of the Marine Corps Base Hawaii says it appears the man is part of a unit based in the islands. Marine officials have called the YouTube video “shocking and deplorable” saying it violates “the high standard we expect of every Marine” Users of the video share website have also condemned the video.
There has been a flood of angry comments to the YouTube page, with some users posting one of the Marine’s name and home address, urging people to protest at his house.
Warning: The attached video contains highly disturbing footage.
Everything below written by;

Phil Jayhan
Unconfirmed sources say;
This Marine throwing the dog off the cliff is alleged to be Lance Corporal David Motari, his immediate supervisor is Major Chris Perrine, 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines, phone # 808-257-8841. There is also rumors that David Motari is a Soldier who works for Blackwater USA although this is denied by Blackwater USA. Blackwater USA has just recently been discovered to be a company owned, operated, and run by The Sovereign Knights of Malta, a Military Wing of the Vatican, The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is subject the the  Jesuit Order of the Vatican. If you would like to Learn More about the Movers and Shakers of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, click here. Please call and register your disgust! I already made my call to Major Chris Perrine, and left a message telling him of my disgust, and demanded a Courts Martial for this Young Sociopath. I also left my phone number and name asking for a return phone call. Rest of story below! 
To see rest of Story about this Puppy Tossing Video, Click Here
 A short story about this is in order. The video images of this US Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff is outrageous. And is disgusting. It is psychopathic. And yet, it is being reported by alternate news services, the only ones which seek the truth and try to accurately report events, that we have now killed upwards of 1,000,000 Iraqi’s in this War. And Iraq never did a single thing to America, and never once threatened us. There is absolutely no justification for this war whatsoever.Now imagine US Marines doing this same thing to 1,000,000 Iraqi men, women and children., Because thats what we have done! Bush lied through his teeth about the War. So did every other Federal agency in America. Wheres the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Where? Not a single weapon of mass destruction has been found to date. One would think after 3 years at War with Iraq, that we would have first of all, found those weapons of mass destruction. But they weren’t found because it was all based upon lies! There were no weapons of mass destruction!
But thats all smoke and mirrors anyways. Lets not forget about Afghanistan. We invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq over the false pretext that they were somehow responsible for 911. “Never forget 911, we were told… And we won’t! And anyone who has a reasonable mind and a little time to go through the front page stories on letsroll911.org, will quickly, and quite easily see that 911 was an event, not done by Osama Bin Laden and 19 hijackers, but engineered by the United States Government. There is overwhelming evidence for such beliefs. There is overwhelming evidence for this. There is multiple proofs of this. And so many proofs, you will scratch your head hard trying to figure out what the best proofs are.
Thus when we realize this truth, then we have to also realize that both the War in Afghanistan and the War in Iraq, are both unjust wars, and that every single person killed in Afghanistan & Iraq are a WAR CRIME! I say this as an American. I say this as someone who foolishly voted for George W. Bush in 2000. I had been a Republican and very conservative my entire life. But unless each and every American takes steps to stop these unjust and illegal wars, they all, individually have blood on their own hands. Because every single bullet, every single bomb and every single missile is being shot or dropped in YOUR NAMES!!! Which means unless you do something to stop these wars, than all the blood of those people, upwards of around 1,000,000 people, is on your hands.
And would you like to know whats the most disgusting part of this video story? Is that Americans have sat back and done nothing to stop these wars, even in the face of overwhelming proof that 911 was an inside job. Sat back while two entire nations are ravaged by the most well funded War machine ever to march this planet. Sat back while upwards of 1,000,000 completely innocent people were slaughtered. And yet get angry when one of our young psychopathic Marines tosses a poor little puppy over a cliff. As sad as that is. Heres a tough word for all of America! Get off your asses, turn off your TV’s and do something to constrain your Military, and to find true justice for the real Criminals behind 911. Because there is overwhelming proof 911 was an inside job! If you don’t, all of the blood of all those innocents is rightly on your hands!
Original Story link for top part of story:

http://livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/03/04/Marine_throws_puppy_off_cliff_on_YouTube
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Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?
Phil Jayhan — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:20:33 +0000

 Why was there Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11?
Molten metal flowed underneath ground zero for months after the Twin Towers collapsed:
New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” 
A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a “foundry” or like “lava”.
A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that  “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminded him of a volcano.
An employee of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed “Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.”
The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”
According to a worker involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at ground zero, “Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6.”
An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, “A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures”  (pay-per-view).  Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.
A rescue worker “crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam“
A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero “descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams.“
A structural engineer who worked for the Trade Center’s original designer saw “streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.”  (pages 31-32)
An engineer stated in the September 3, 2002 issue of The Structural Engineer, “They showed us many fascinating slides ranging from molten metal, which was still red hot weeks after the event.”
An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported  a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, “its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel.”
A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel” 
The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks.
According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.”
A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said “in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire–which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December.”
A fireman stated that there were “oven” like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11.
Firemen and hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, “There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red” and “the blaze is so ‘far beyond a normal fire’ that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires.” (pay-per-view)
A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said “for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains….”
New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said “They were standing on top of a cauldron. They were standing on top of fires 2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days.”
As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”
Indeed, the trade center fire was “the longest-burning structural fire in history”, even though it rained heavily on September 14, 2001 and again on September 21, 2001, and the fires were sprayed with high tech fire-retardands, and  “firetrucks [sprayed] a nearly constant jet of water on” ground zero.”

Indeed, “You couldn’t even begin to imagine how much water was pumped in there,” said Tom Manley of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, the largest fire department union. “It was like you were creating a giant lake.”
See also witness statements at the beginning of this video.
For one explanation of why there was molten metal under ground zero for months after 9/11,  see this paper.    Also see this essay showing that the post-collapse temperatures under Building 7 were very similar to those under Buildings 1 and 2, even though Buildings 1 and 2 were much higher.
       


Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report…
Phil Jayhan — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:20:28 +0000

Posted by: Phil Jayhan, September 23rd, 2007
Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report…



Official Account of 9/11 a “Joke” and a “Cover-up”,  appeared today on OpEdNews…



Please click on the following link and read the article in its entirety: Link to article 



It details severe criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report by seven CIA veterans and their calls for a new investigation.  A brief quote from each of the individuals featured in the article appears below…
Raymond McGovern, former Chairman of the National Intelligence Council and 27-year CIA veteran:

“I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up.  The 9/11 Report is a joke.”


William Christison, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political, and 29-year CIA veteran:

“We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11.  I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all.”


Melvin Goodman, PhD, former Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990:

“The final report is ultimately a coverup.  I don’t know how else to describe it.”


Robert Baer, 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, who was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997:

“Until we get a complete, honest, transparent investigation …, we will never know what happened on 9/11.”


Robert David Steele has 25 years of combined service in the CIA and the U.S. Marine Corps.  Second ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992.  Member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University.

“I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war. … I have to tell anyone who cares to read this: I believe it. I believe it enough to want a full investigation that passes the smell test of the 9/11 families as well as objective outside observers.”


Lynne Larkin, former CIA Operations Officer who served in several CIA foreign stations before being assigned to the CIA’s Counter-Intelligence Center.  There, she co-chaired a multi-agency task force, which coordinated intelligence efforts among the many intelligence and law enforcement agencies.  One of twenty-five signers of a letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation.
David MacMichael, PhD, former Senior Estimates Officer at the CIA with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA’s National Intelligence Council.  Prior to joining the CIA, he served for four years as a civilian counter-insurgency advisor to the U.S. government, and prior to that was a U.S. Marine Corps officer for ten years.  One of twenty-five signers of a letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation.
       


The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity
Phil Jayhan — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:49:31 +0000

Posted by Phil Jayhan, September 23rd, 2007
The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity



by Vincent Sammartino

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7199

As everyone who is involved in exposing the 9-11 cover-up knows, nothing concerning 9-11 is as it seems. Whether it’s the magic jet that our government told us crashed into the Pentagon, the obvious missing jet at Shanksville (Flight 93), the three perfect demolitions of the World Trade Center towers, or the fact that Arab hijackers are still alive and their supposed ring leader Osama bin Laden has the ability to change his facial features at will. Nothing, I repeat, nothing about the government/controlled media version of 9-11 makes any sense.
So, let’s get one thing straight and out of the way right now. There are no such things as physical inconsistencies in the world we live in. We can always depend on the laws of physics to be consistent and unchanging. Coincidence is a self-contained human concept; and the real world - the atoms, molecules and planets that whiz around - don’t care if you understand them. Likewise, they aren’t concerned if their movement happens to favor you or not. I say this because, as Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani know (WING TV), this is the key to understanding what is real and what is contrived.
With that said, let me go back to sometime in February, 2004. At that time I had pretty much figured out that what had happened at the Pentagon and the WTC was a lie. I was still toying with the idea, though, that maybe (just maybe) our government had shot down Flight 93 in Shanksville in order to protect us from the real terrorists.
Then a few websites started to pop-up showing videos of what appeared to be a “pod” under Flight 175, along with an unexplained flash that happened just before the jet hit the South Tower. To me, this was just as damning as the Pentagon and the WTC collapses. There is no good reason for us to be seeing what we saw if the official government story was true. Think about this point for a minute. If what we saw was just an anomaly, then there must be millions of photos/videos of 757s taking off and landing at airports all over the world that look JUST LIKE THAT! If anybody has any jet photo anomalies they would like to share with us, please send them to Victor and Lisa at WING TV so we can clear this stuff up.
Which brings me to Ellen Mariani: she’s the woman who lost her husband Louis on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower on 9-11. With the help of a lawyer named Phil Berg, she filed a lawsuit against President Bush and company under the RICO act. Also, she refused to take the hush money that was offered to her under the 9-11 Victims Compensation fund.
In addition, I had just discovered Black Op Radio earlier in the year and found an interesting show in their archives (# 156) on which Ellen and Mr. Berg appeared as guests. This may be the single biggest point concerning 9-11, and hopefully the last nail in the coffin of our government’s lies. During this broadcast, Mrs. Mariani said that she was the only relative of all the passengers that died on Flight 175 that crashed into the South Tower. Her lawyer, Phil Berg, repeated this statement.
I listened to this show over and over again and couldn’t believe what she had just said. Everything came together at this point. That’s when it dawned on me that not only had our government lied about the physics of 9-11; they may very well have taken it one step farther by faking the number of people that died that day. I believed what she and Mr. Berg had just said. Nothing about 9-11 made any sense. Why should it start now?
Not knowing then what I know now, Ellen and Phil believed that for some reason the government was holding back the names of the people that had died on Flight 175. She had tried to get in touch with the relatives of other family members, but to no avail. You see, she and her lawyer believed, just like most other people believe, that four jets had been hijacked by Arab terrorists and crashed into buildings and into the ground at Shanksville. I, on the other hand, had already swept those lies aside.
Their statement also gave credence to the Fox News reporter who said that the jet which crashed into the South Tower had no windows. Hey, this jet appeared to have a “pod” under it anyway. The pieces of the puzzle were starting to fit.
Now, we come to most interesting stuff - the Social Security Death Index, and thanks to Victor Thorn’s idea, the September 11th Victim’s Compensation Fund. After all, it’s one thing to say that the flight lists are not on the up and up, but it’s another thing to prove it.
The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) (Social Security Death Index) is a privately-owned website that is not affiliated with Social Security. It boasts an accuracy rate of about 83% (e-mail them any questions you may have). Anyway, to check its reliability, I inputted the names of people I knew that had died in my family, along with friends and neighbors. Being a true skeptic, I had no way of knowing whether they were telling the truth or not. With the exception of a cousin, I found everyone I was looking for. (Be sure you have the person’s true first name - they may not be listed by the state they last lived in, but can be found in the state where their social security number was issued.) By all means try it yourself.
Which brings us to the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund (also known as the Shut Up and Take the Money Fund), which most of you have heard about.
9-11 Victims Compensation Fund
This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)
At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.
The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.
Here are the results:
Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Judy Larocque

Laurie Neira

Candace Lee Williams



=======================================
Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
William Caswell

Eddie Dillard

Ian Gray

John Sammartino

Leonard Taylor



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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Michael C. Tarrou

Gloria Debarrera

Timothy Ward



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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
No one



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Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.



Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can’t. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren’t eligible to receive compensation? No, that’s not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)
You should also know that most lawyers told their clients to take the money and run (which is what most lawyers would do - take the sure money). Ellen Mariani clearly elaborated on this point during her appearance on the radio show mentioned above.
Finally, during the past week, thanks to Lisa Guliani’s insatiable quest for the truth, the 9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report has come to light.
9-11 Victims Compensation Final Report
Oddly, but consistent with everything concerning 9-11, the actual complete list of the people who benefited has been omitted from this report. Even without this, it does contain an interesting fact. According to the report, 98% of all the people who suffered a loss on 9-11 took the fund money. The average payment was $1.8 million.
But here’s where it gets strange. According to the government, here are the number of people who accepted the compensation fund:

Out of a total of 92 people on Flight 11, only 65 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)

Out of a total of 65 people on Flight 175, only 46 accepted the 9-11 fund (71%)

Out of a total of 64 people on Flight 77, only 33 accepted the 9-11 fund (52%)

Out of a total of 45 people on Flight 93, only 25 accepted the 9-11 fund (56%)



Does any of this seem a little odd to you? Or is it possible that not only were the jets on 9-11 magical, but their passengers as well?
So there you have it; yet another glaring 9-11 inconsistency - just maybe the biggest of them all?
       


911 Ripple Effect Video - New 911 Video Sweeping the Web! by William Lewis of Bridgestone Media
Phil Jayhan — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:05:37 +0000

Posted by: Phil Jayhan, September 21st, 2007

Link to this 911 Video with this code below, or go to this link and find your html code there!
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9127706080717077488 
       


6 Minot Air Force Base Nuke handlers & Pilots All Dead in a single week!
Phil Jayhan — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:10:51 +0000

Posted by: Phil Jayhan, September 21st, 2007 
It was one of the biggest FUBARS in  miltary history, and the investigation is going to go on until Bush  leaves office.
It was no coincidence, dead men tell no  lies.
Check out Minot AFB  Clandestine Nukes ‘Oddities’  at http:/www.legitgov.org 

          .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}    Just a VERY remarkable coincidence, no    doubt.
READER:

Since the Minot story broke about the missing    nuke(s) clandestine operation from Minot, we have the following (for    those who are paying attention):
1. All six people listed below    are from Minot Airforce base

2. All were directly involved as loaders    or as pilots

3. All are now dead

4. All    within the last 7 days in ‘accidents’
> http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465

> http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012    

>    http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp

> http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988

> http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt

> http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

Silly me, seeing more than there is    to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.
But no    doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because    as stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto    a B-52, and they may have told their wives and    friends.


       


The Nightmare of Department of Homeland Security’s *Secure Flight*
Phil Jayhan — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:37:04 +0000

 
A hearing is set for tomorrow on a proposed rule that in effect says that you will not be able to fly on commercial flights without first getting government permission. 
“If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572.”
Here is the notice of the hearing which explains the proposed rule:
http://www.dailykos.com:80/storyonly/2007/9/17/9846/64393
And here is an article that gives background on this odious proposal:
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p102/484384.pdf
 
The Nightmare of DHS´s *Secure Flight*
by Blue Patriot Woman
Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 10:34:23 AM PDT
Buried in the September 5 issue of the Federal Register, was a notice that this Thursday, September 20, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) will hold public hearings on their ¨Secure Flight Plan.¨
Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

Blue Patriot Woman’s diary :: ::


Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.
Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S. The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out.
Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S.
Here is the summary of their proposed rules, which seem so reasonable, couched as they are in the blandness of governmenteez [emphasis added].
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assume from aircraft operators the function of conducting pre-flight comparisons of airline passenger information to Federal Government watch lists for international and domestic flights.
[snip]
This rule proposes to allow TSA to … receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, conduct watch list matching … and transmit boarding pass printing instructions back to aircraft operators.
[snip]
TSA would do so in a consistent and accurate manner while minimizing false matches and protecting privacy information.
Right. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn…
We propose that, when the Secure Flight rule becomes final, aircraft operators would submit passenger information to DHS through a single DHS portal for both the Secure Flight and APIS programs. This would [result] in one DHS system responsible for watch list matching for all aviation passengers.
Don´t you feel great knowing that your government will use economies of scale to protect you?
Edward Hasbrough states that these rules are more insidious than merely complying to demands for ¨Your papers please.¨ He states,
The proposal … require[s] that travellers display their government-issued credentials not to government agents but to airline personnel (staff or contractors), whenever the DHS orders the airline to demand them. But since the orders to demand ID of [certain passengers] will be given to the airline in secret, … travellers will have no way to verify whether … demands for ID are actually based on government orders.
Think about that: you will not be allowed to verify if the person demanding your papers is actually authorized to do so. In addition, the airlines or their contractors (or sub or even sub sub contractors) have the right, under the proposed rules, to do anything they like with your personal information including:
keep copies of your passport … as long as they like, use it, publish it, broadcast it, sell it, rent it, or pass it on to whomever they please…. [T]hey would have no obligation to get your permission for any of this.
Aside from the privacy issue, this is the DHS. Their past performance is an indication of future returns and we can look forward to true travel nightmares beginning February 19, 2008. Just think about the mess that occurred when CBP demanded that travelers to Canada and Mexico have a passport. Multiply that by orders of magnitude to imagine what travelers will be facing.
If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572.
The Identity Project at Papers Please is working to prevent your government from robbing you of your right to privacy in your movements.

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